All of Bachs music is sublime.
brings me closer to god.
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21st March 2010 St. Mathews Passion in the Aachen’s Cathedral. Performing: Aachener Domchor (Aachen’s Cathedral Choir) and Concert Royal Cologne. Starting at 5 pm
To see this performed live there is going to be a live performance on Saturday 13th March 2010 at 6.00pm St. Matthew’s Church
Kettering Road
Kingsley
Northampton
NN1 4RY
By Northampton Bach Choir .. as they are celebrating their 75th anniversary .. I am going to be there!
“That we find no God—either in history or in nature or behind nature—is not what differentiates us, but that we experience what has been revered as God not as “godlike” but as miserable, as absurd, as harmful, not merely as an error but as a crime against life. We deny God as God. If one were to prove this God of the Christians to us, we should be even less able to believe in him. In a formula: deus, qualem Paulus creavit, dei negatio [God as Paul created him is a negation of God]. “
@NihilNominis: As you like it (as Shakespeare would say) and you are well advised in doing so for all you could win here in another fancy Nietzsche quote:
DECIUS BRUTUS Never fear that: if he be so resolved, I can o’ersway him; for he loves to hear That unicorns may be betray’d with trees, And bears with glasses, elephants with holes, Lions with toils and men with flatterers; But when I tell him he hates flatterers, He says he does, being then most flattered. Let me work; For I can give his humour the true bent, And I will bring him to the Capitol.
@Zacamcheron: It is great blasphemy against art to say that the (in the sense of Homer) divine J.B. Bach does make noise! And thanks for the flattery but know that I like my flattery in the Shakespearean style:
I’ve read through these comments and I have to applaud you Grumbledook; your debates punctuated with insightful quotes have been quite entertaining. It’s rare, and refreshing in this instance, to find someone who can argue clearly and maturely on the internet.
I’d like to throw out a satirical question in response to an earlier Grumbledook quote, “any comment section is for debate in its very being.”
If God falls in the woods, and no Christian is around to hear it, does Bach make a noise?
@prince2000ful: Well, you started the discussion and if you will end it do it by stop replying to me and making such statements; as long as you do otherwise I will not shun any discussion.
Sorry, I have studied History just as much as you and everything you are mention I am aware about,
But you can put things and thoughts from different angels and I am not intersted in having more discussions with you because my interest is not YOU. It´s music and absolutely not religious
music.
… but to introduce the principle into the various relations of the actual world, involves a more extensive problem than its simple implantation; a problem whose solution and application require a severe and lengthened process of culture.”
… institution of slavery: a fact moreover, which made that liberty on the one hand only an accidental, transient and limited growth; on the other hand, constituted it a rigorous thraldom of our common nature – of the Human. The Germanic nations, under the influence of Christianity, were the first to attain the consciousness, that man, as man, is free: that it is the freedom of Spirit which constitutes its essence. This consciousness arose first in religion, the inmost region of Spirit; …
… desires, which is itself only an accident of Nature – mere caprice like the former. – That one is therefore only a Despot; not a free man. The consciousness of Freedom first arose among the Greeks, and therefore they were free; but they, and the Romans likewise, knew only that some are free, – not man as such. Even Plato and Aristotle did not know this. The Greeks, therefore, had slaves; and their whole life and the maintenance of their splendid liberty, was implicated with the …
@prince2000ful: And I cannot spare you the now mandatory Hegel quote concerning the development of the awareness about liberty as the very essence of the human spirit in history:
“The Orientals have not attained the knowledge that Spirit – Man as such – is free; and because they do not know this they are not free. They only know that one is free. But on this very account, the freedom of that one is only caprice; ferocity – brutal recklessness or passion, or a mildness and tameness of the …
@prince2000ful: History is not your coup of tea, is it? Read some medieval texts and find out the no one considered life as hell there; the Church was held in much less absolute believe than are the doctors and scientists are today! The existence of God and the Devil and the anticipation Dooms Day was the same as our beliefs in natural laws and the climate change. Read the trial files of Jeanne dArc and find out how little a village girl was ruled by the priests. …
Sorry, I prefer Karl Richter 1980, Münchner Bach-Orchester and Bach-Chor
Of course people were great lovers of Liberty when they didn´t hav any. In those times it was the church which was ruling and peoples life were by no dout a hell. A struggle for surviving.
So what could the church do? give the people
music to listen to and demands of how to live.
This has absolutely nothing to do about freedom.
Freedom to think and to act like any human beeing is quite another matter.I will you give another music to listen to. Find Teresa Zylis-Gara and listen (Moniuszko)
@prince2000ful: I guess any comment section is for debate in its very being; as discussion is the logical result of making comments and as I did make my rather playful statement about the music of Bach and its role in excusing Christendom I think it is not amiss to defend it against objections and pleas. So if people chose to debate with me here I will not shun them and you can listen to the music without reading the comments.
@GreatGrumbledook Have you nobody to speak with? I thought this was a place for music and nothing else.Debate can you do in another place.